Hello.
I am using TNG100-1 catalogues to compare dustless absolute (g,z) magnitudes and dusty absolute (g,z) magnitudes for three Subhalos at snap=33, with SubhaloID=1,8,21; the first galaxy has a consistent amount of stellar mass and gas; the second has less gas and the last galaxy, with SubhaloID=21, has no gas in its subhalo.
I want to specify that the dustless absolute mag is taken from the Subfind Subhalos catalogue and the dusty one from the SDSS Photometry catalogue.
Following the paper Nelson+19, I expected that comparing the dusty and the dustless magnitudes of the gasless galaxy (SubhaloID=21) the data points would overlap, since the dust content of a galaxy is derived from its gas content. In this plot, you can see that they don't overlap instead.
I might suppose that the SubhaloID=21 magnitudes don't overlap due to the fact that the dustless magnitudes are computed considering all the star particles bounded to the Subhalo, and the dusty magnitudes are computed in 30 pkpc, but 0.3 mags seems a lot.
I might suppose that when the star particles light is reddened, the author not only considers gas particles bounded to the SubhaloID=21 subhalo, but all the gas particles in 30 pkpc, regardless if their SubhaloID is 21 or is different from 21.
What do you think about the origin of this discrepancy? Thank you very much for the answer.
Dylan Nelson
26 May '21
Hello,
The dust model from Nelson+19 contains two components: "unresolved" dust, which accounts for very small-scale (i.e. HII region size) effects, particularly for younger stars, and "resolved" dust, which uses the gas distribution information from the simulation. So it is most likely this first component, which is always active, causing the difference with respect to the dust-free magnitudes. I include a snippet of the paper:
Ok, thank you.
Last question, in model (C) - resolved dust, you used only gas cells belonging to a particular subhalo (same SubhaloID for gas cells and star particles), or any gas cell in the neighbourhood (different)?
Dylan Nelson
27 May '21
Yes that's right, using gas cells belonging to each subhalo.
Oh, I'm sorry, I missed it before: what you call Zg and define "neutral hydrogen mass weighted gas metallicity" in the paper is substantially Mz/MHI and not GFM_Metallicity for PartType0, right ?
Hello.
I am using TNG100-1 catalogues to compare dustless absolute (g,z) magnitudes and dusty absolute (g,z) magnitudes for three Subhalos at snap=33, with
SubhaloID=1,8,21; the first galaxy has a consistent amount of stellar mass and gas; the second has less gas and the last galaxy, withSubhaloID=21, has no gas in its subhalo.I want to specify that the dustless absolute mag is taken from the Subfind Subhalos catalogue and the dusty one from the SDSS Photometry catalogue.
Following the paper Nelson+19, I expected that comparing the dusty and the dustless magnitudes of the gasless galaxy (
SubhaloID=21) the data points would overlap, since the dust content of a galaxy is derived from its gas content. In this plot, you can see that they don't overlap instead.I might suppose that the
SubhaloID=21 magnitudes don't overlap due to the fact that the dustless magnitudes are computed considering all the star particles bounded to the Subhalo, and the dusty magnitudes are computed in 30 pkpc, but 0.3 mags seems a lot.I might suppose that when the star particles light is reddened, the author not only considers gas particles bounded to the
SubhaloID=21 subhalo, but all the gas particles in 30 pkpc, regardless if theirSubhaloIDis 21 or is different from 21.What do you think about the origin of this discrepancy? Thank you very much for the answer.
Hello,
The dust model from Nelson+19 contains two components: "unresolved" dust, which accounts for very small-scale (i.e. HII region size) effects, particularly for younger stars, and "resolved" dust, which uses the gas distribution information from the simulation. So it is most likely this first component, which is always active, causing the difference with respect to the dust-free magnitudes. I include a snippet of the paper:
Ok, thank you.
Last question, in model (C) - resolved dust, you used only gas cells belonging to a particular subhalo (same
SubhaloIDfor gas cells and star particles), or any gas cell in the neighbourhood (different)?Yes that's right, using gas cells belonging to each subhalo.
Oh, I'm sorry, I missed it before: what you call Zg and define "neutral hydrogen mass weighted gas metallicity" in the paper is substantially Mz/MHI and not
GFM_Metallicityfor PartType0, right ?